From: GenEdCommittee [GENEDCOMMITTEE@LISTSERV.COFC.EDU] on behalf of
Gordon Jones [gej36@COMCAST.NET]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 10:49 AM
To: GENEDCOMMITTEE@LISTSERV.COFC.EDU
Subject: Addendum to March 2 Meeting Notes

The Committee comments reported in the Meeting Notes regarding the CIRP
data will be made more complete by the addition of the following remarks
made during the discussion by Pam Niesslein.  Please include these in your
records.  Thanks.


The CIRP is SELF-REPORTED student data from a subset
of our student body.  In 2001, our data collection methods for CIRP were
haphazard at best and we only have 700+ responses, while the 1532
responses from 2004 are much more representative of our student body.
Also, I don't see any independent verification of these numbers from
official CofC data sources (i.e., ethnic background is available through
IR and should be correlated to the CIRP results to verify before doing
any comparative data and drawing conclusions).  Some of the opinion
questions certainly do give us good and valid data (i.e., the questions
on culture, involvement, etc.), but some others (e.g., parental income,
High School GPA) should be viewed skeptically until they can be
cross-tabbed with other available data for verification purposes.







Gordon E. Jones
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